Tuesday, 27 May 2025

[TramsDownUnder] Re: Brisbane tram, 1968, 328 at Enoggera terminus

681201Su - Enoggera terminus - dropcentre 328, just arrived.  Roderick Smith.
The destination for the return to Chermside has been set, but the pole has not yet been changed.  The rails end just left of frame.
Most passengers were there just for the ride, and have stayed aboard.

Roderick

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Friday, 23 May 2025

[TramsDownUnder] Re: Brisbane tram, 1968, 519 in Newmarket

681201Su Enoggera Rd at Sedgley Park, Newmarket (Brisbane, Qld) - chartered FM tram 519 outbound to Enoggera.  Roderick Smith.

Roderick

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Tuesday, 20 May 2025

Re: [TramsDownUnder] Everyday Melbourne

In years gone by, that would have been East Brunswick Moreland Rd and route number 2 (or 22 if it wasn't a short on route 1).  I guess "Holmes St" is probably the second screen of an "East Brunswick" destination?

Hal Cain

On Wed, May 7, 2025 at 4:35 PM Mal Rowe <mal.rowe@gmail.com> wrote:
Here's a pic from last week - showing a slightly unusual destination.

Holmes St is where trams running in to Brunswick Depot turn off into
Moreland Rd.

Mal Rowe in the once Garden State

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Saturday, 17 May 2025

[TramsDownUnder] Re: Brisbane tram, 1968, 313 in Newmarket

Enoggera Rd at Alderson St, Newmarket (Brisbane, Qld): Dropcentre 313 inbound from Enoggera.  Sun.1.12.1968.  (Roderick Smith)
Those houses were demolished for road widening, and were replaced with new ones accessed by a lane, and their rear facing in this direction.
The vacant land in the distance now has Newmarket aquatic centre.

A few months ago, I posted a photo of 519 at the same location.

Roderick

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Tuesday, 13 May 2025

[TramsDownUnder] Re: Brisbane tram, 1968, 519 in Fortitude Valley

681201Su-FortitudeValley-FM519-RSmith.
519 is inbound from Chermside, and has turned from Brunswick St into Wickam St.
The iron-lace veranda is Prince Consort Hotel, still there today.
BAFS dispensary is still there, but is housing a Vietnamese restaurant.


Roderick

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Friday, 9 May 2025

[TramsDownUnder] TDU at the pub

A reminder that next Thursday is the 3rd in the month and a booking has
been made at The Royal Exchange hotel in William St near Victoria Market.

I'll be there around 6pm. You would be welcome to join us.

Perhaps we could mark the centenary of the tram line in William St a
couple of months early?

Mal Rowe - regular user of the tramway and the pub

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Thursday, 8 May 2025

[TramsDownUnder] Re: Brisbane tram, 1968, 378 at Windsor

681201Su Lutwyche Rd, Windsor (Brisbane, Qld) - 378 to Chermside, passing under the Ferny Grove line.  Roderick Smith.
Google Earth street view keeps dropping into a road tunnel at this location today.



Roderick

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Wednesday, 7 May 2025

[TramsDownUnder] Everyday Melbourne

Here's a pic from last week - showing a slightly unusual destination.

Holmes St is where trams running in to Brunswick Depot turn off into
Moreland Rd.

Mal Rowe in the once Garden State

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[TramsDownUnder] C2.5111 at Southbank Depot

Photo of C2.5111 at Southbank Depot.

Nothing unusual, but I don't recall ever seeing a Mulhouse tram in standard livery before.  They were yellow, then most went to AOA.

Re: [TramsDownUnder] Mystery (Tramway?) Signal

Thanks Hal,

Here's a snap from nearly 15 years ago showing PMTT 84 crossing the
tramway square.

Mal Rowe - who enjoyed that day

On 28/04/2025 18:00, Hal Cain wrote:
> The signalling diagram shows the railway in 1926 when it was still a
> single line; maybe that was when the catch points and the signals for
> trams were installed.
>
> According to the article in Wikipedia
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kooyong_railway_station>,
> electrification of the railway occurred in March 1922.There must have
> been provision for the signalman to switch the electric supply to the
> crossing square before 1926, but perhaps there were no catch points;
> or maybe the railway gates were not interlocked until 1926. The
> railway line was duplicated from Kooyong to Gardiner in 1955, Kooyong
> to Heyington in 1957, but I don't remember which year the tramway
> square was rebuilt as double track. The diagram in Vicsig
> <https://vicsig.net/infrastructure/location/Kooyong> shows what each
> signal lever worked in 2007. The striped levers control the tramway
> signals and catch points.
>
> Hal Cain
>
>

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Re: [TramsDownUnder] Mystery (Tramway?) Signal

The signalling diagram shows the railway in 1926 when it was still a single line; maybe that was when the catch points and the signals for trams were installed.

According to the article in Wikipedia <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kooyong_railway_station>, electrification of the railway occurred in March 1922.There must have been provision for the signalman to switch the electric supply to the crossing square before 1926, but perhaps there were no catch points; or maybe the railway gates were not interlocked until 1926. The railway line was duplicated from Kooyong to Gardiner in 1955, Kooyong to Heyington in 1957, but I don't remember which year the tramway square was rebuilt as double track. The diagram in Vicsig <https://vicsig.net/infrastructure/location/Kooyong> shows what each signal lever worked in 2007. The striped levers control the tramway signals and catch points.

Hal Cain

On Mon, Apr 28, 2025 at 3:54 PM Mal Rowe <mal.rowe@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks David,

Here's the diagram from the Victorian Railways website.

I notice that there were catch points in both tram lines.

Mal Rowe - still wondering what each lever did.


On 28/04/2025 14:18, espee8800 wrote:
As one who signal maintenance section actually covered Kooyong (and also Gardiner) all of the signalling equipment is railway. 

The railway preceded the trams by some years although both Kooyong and Gardiner signal boxes were provided when the trams appeared - Kooyong 30/5/1913 and Gardiner 5/12/1917. Electric trains came to the Darling line on 15/12/1922 and that's when the switching gear for the overhead was installed. 

At the time the only style of signal for these moves - effectively a shunt move across the railway - was the disc signals. In later years most were replaced by lights. These signals keep trams clear of the tramway square when the power is set for a train, the switching from 1500v to 600v is done by the catch point levers which also work the discs. Trams don't take kindly to 1500v DC. Trains would care about the 600 odd V though. 

Elsternwick signal box opened on 1/11/1883 and the trams arrived 12/11/1913, the permanent signal box was replaced by a temporary building on 30/8/1959 for the grade separation and it was abolished on 2/10/1960.

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Re: [TramsDownUnder] Mystery (Tramway?) Signal

As one who signal maintenance section actually covered Kooyong (and also Gardiner) all of the signalling equipment is railway. 

The railway preceded the trams by some years although both Kooyong and Gardiner signal boxes were provided when the trams appeared - Kooyong 30/5/1913 and Gardiner 5/12/1917. Electric trains came to the Darling line on 15/12/1922 and that's when the switching gear for the overhead was installed. 

At the time the only style of signal for these moves - effectively a shunt move across the railway - was the disc signals. In later years most were replaced by lights. These signals keep trams clear of the tramway square when the power is set for a train, the switching from 1500v to 600v is done by the catch point levers which also work the discs. Trams don't take kindly to 1500v DC. Trains would care about the 600 odd V though. 

Elsternwick signal box opened on 1/11/1883 and the trams arrived 12/11/1913, the permanent signal box was replaced by a temporary building on 30/8/1959 for the grade separation and it was abolished on 2/10/1960.


On 27 Apr 2025, at 10:03 pm, Jeremy Wainwright <jewiwa@hotmail.com> wrote:
Unless I am mistaken, the signaller also has control of the power supply to the 'tramway square'.




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Re: [TramsDownUnder] Mystery (Tramway?) Signal

Into the 1980s, the crossings were controlled by manually operating swinging railway gates, operated by hand using rods and cables from the signal boxes, and the signal box also controlled the tram signals and derailment points, also very manually controlled. Boom barriers replaced the gates but still everything was manually controlled from the signal box, and I expect at the remaining two rail crossings by trams while now much more electrically operated, are still a very much manual operation. The signaller will also now have control of traffic lights.

Andrew.  

On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 at 17:38, Mal Rowe <mal.rowe@gmail.com> wrote:
On 27/04/2025 17:15, 'David Batho' via TramsDownUnder wrote:
Thank you to every one for your replies. Now to my next, taxonomical, question: is it a railway or a tramway signal?! (It would have been operated by the railway signalman, I presume, or operated automatically when the gates went down, but applied to a tramway.)

I'll leave the taxonomy questions to others.  I have enough trouble trying to separate Railway - Tramway and Light Railway!

Here's a pic of the lever frame at Kooyong in 2004, when the crossing was still manually controlled.

Perhaps one of the signal gurus on the list may be able to tell us which lever did what.

Mal Rowe - who once applied for a job as a signalling engineer.

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Re: [TramsDownUnder] Cordite Ave

😂

On 27 Apr 2025, at 3:49 pm, Mal Rowe <mal.rowe@gmail.com> wrote:

On 26/04/2025 10:25, 'David Batho' via TramsDownUnder wrote:
Is the track as rough as it looks (or is that exaggerated due to use of a telephoto lens)?

It is certainly a bit rough, but nowhere near as bad as the tele lens makes it look.

The 'official' focal length in the EXIF data is 200mm, but by the time you take into account the sensor size on my camera and cropping of the image it's probably equivalent to around 500mm on a standard 35mm camera.

Mal Rowe - prone to exaggeration in his photographs

Friday, 2 May 2025

[TramsDownUnder] Re: Brisbane tram, 1968, Chermside line, 328 & 519

681201Su Lutwyche - Chermside, dropcentre 328 outbound; chartered FM 519 inbound.  Roderick Smith.
I'm not sure where on the reserved track this was.


Roderick

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